In this episode Patricia Bowden-Luccardi gives a thermographer’s perspective on healthcare on the Perspectives on Healthcare Podcast with Rob Oliver. Based in New York, Patricia is an expert on holistic breast health. She is a member of the baby boomer generation.
Here are 3 things that stood out as Patricia Bowden-Luccardi shared a thermographer’s perspective on healthcare:
· Thermography is using infrared to do thermal imaging of the breast and other parts of the body
· We are surrounded by environmental estrogens (creating a need to detox)
· Healthcare is a human right and a key component is affordability
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Here is the transcript of Patricia Bowden-Luccardi: A Thermographer’s Perspective on Healthcare
Rob Oliver: Thank you for being with me today. I appreciate you coming to hear another perspective on health care. The perspective today comes from Patricia Bowden Lucart. She is a member of the baby Boomer Generation. She is located in New York, and she is a thermography. She has a thermography practice. So, Patricia, welcome.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Thank you. So you had to identify me as a baby Boomer. So you know that I’m older, taking care of my health, that’s what I do.
Rob Oliver: So here’s the situation. And that is on the show. We’re looking at various levels of diversity. And one is what is your role? What what is your area of experience? What is your geographic location and what’s your age? Because I think it’s important to understand that baby boomers may look at things a little bit different than millennials. Let’s jump right into this. Tell me about yourself and your role in health care.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Well, I have a thermography practice and that’s infrared. It’s thermal imaging, and we think of it to be used for women’s breast to be able to screen for breast cancer. But it’s so much more than that you can do the entire body. Prior to doing this. Ten years ago, I was at a place called Canyon Ranch Medical Spa and Linux Mass. And I was a neuromuscular therapist and a breast educator. And prior to that, I had been a product educator for several nutraceutical companies and protocol formulator. So I’ve been in health, functional medicine, I say functional medicine, food is medicine, food state nutrients for close to 25 years. So I have a passion about natural health, the food state, nutrients that comes from the life force that comes from plants. And my role in thermography is screening women prior thermography can detect breast cancer years before conventional screening because it’s a study of heat as opposed to anatomy. And what my passion and has been over the last I’d say five years is what I’ve seen in thermography is an increase in estrogens. And in thermography one of the screenings looks like a black and white photograph. And estrogen will come up looking like leopard spots. It’s hard to imagine unless you’ve seen seen it, but I’m seeing it in men. I’m seeing it in teenagers, and it’s coming from a lot of the outside estrogens that are environmental. Estrogens that are from plastics is final as outgassing of carpets and all the toxins that are out there that are Indian disruptors. So actually, my last three K studies have been young men growing breast, and I put them on a protocol that’s natural. And six months later, we’re seeing a huge difference in the estrogen being metabolized. So that’s presently where my passion lies.
Rob Oliver: Okay, so tell me, then what does quality health care mean to you?
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Quality health care is based on it’s based on health. It’s not based on illness. It’s not based on over treatment. It’s not based on over biopsied. Over radiated over medicated. It’s finding an overall view of where the health of a person is, whether that’s through blood work through thermography and and balancing the health and staying healthy. I would think, because of where we are in our world that there’s so much toxicity out there that the first thing we have to look at is detoxing constantly detoxing in Chinese medicine. They say it’s an excess or deficiency. Of course, there’s more to that. But we live in an excess of toxins, and we live in a time of deficiencies. So we have to be able to balance that, detox the body and make sure that we are complete in our nutrients. I mean, vitamin D across. They’re starting to recognize us around the world that vitamin D plays a crucial part to our health, and so that’s it deficiencies and detoxing.
Rob Oliver: Okay. You said there at the beginning that it’s about health and not about illness. Can you expand on that a little bit more because that’s a different concept.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Well, okay. The questions that you gave me on what I think is the status of American health care. It’s based on an illness pattern. It’s based on an illness sickness model. It’s not based on wellness. So if we look at wellness being that people stay healthy, they’re given incentives to be healthy, not just exercise, but through their blood work through their diet. And it just, you know, we know that there’s a lot of great doctors out there, but it’s all based on giving somebody a pill. I’m not in the pill generation. I’m in the nutrient generation. I’m in the CSA buying my food from an organic farmer. I’m in the detoxing. I’m promoting women’s health. And I will say the women coming to me are thinking out of the box. And I will say I work with a pretty healthy group of women. But again, we’re seeing this increase in estrogen. Okay. It’s coming from toxins.
Rob Oliver: Got it. CSA stands for.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: What does that stand for? It shared when you go to a farmer and you get so much produce a week. What does that stand for?
Rob Oliver: It’s kind of like crop sharing agreement.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Something like that. I’m like, yes, I never knew what that meant. Yes. Thank you.
Rob Oliver: No problem. Some times we all swim in Alphabet soup, and I’m trying to make sure that…
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: That’s right.
Rob Oliver: No problem.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Know your local farmer Know your local farmer.
Rob Oliver: Excellent. You started in with this, but can you give me an example of quality health care?
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Quality health care. Okay. Quality health care would be going to a doctor or health practitioner that is affordable and being able to get the blood work or the test needed for whatever their symptoms are. Again, the word is affordability because healthcare is a human right. And in holistic health, many doctors don’t take health insurance. I’ve had some says for ethical reasons because they really can’t. They can’t really treat the way they want to. But here we all need to make a living. And I think it’s great that doctors and people can charge. But I’ve seen a lot of price gouging going on in this industry and it’s taking people to the cleaners, particularly if they’re sick. I mean, they’re empty in their 401K. They’re selling their houses. There had one man that sold his car. That was the only way he could get to work. He had to sell his trucks. So I think health care should be affordable, should absolutely do affordable.
Rob Oliver: Alright, it’s a very valid point and your statement from your perspective is that healthcare is a human right? It’s something that we all deserve. That’s a very powerful perspective to have. What do you wish people understood about your role in healthcare in health care.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: That women… Let me just preface this. I started seeing a pattern doing thermography over the last ten years and it prompted me to write a book because I started seeing women that were coming in with the same patterns. Dense breasts, fiber, cystic breasts. They were over radiated, they were overtreated. They were over biopsy. And I was like, wait a minute. I’m starting to see a pattern here. This is a business. This is an industry. So women that have dense breasts, that’s 49% of the population. They are being over mammogram. They’re being over biopsy. And they’re being told to come back every year for a mammogram when they clearly States that the sensitivity is as low as 28% has been shown. That thermography because it’s a study of heat. They’re not looking at anatomy. So women with dense breast, the connective tissue is white and so as a tumor. So they can’t find on a mammogram. So that leads to a lot of overdiagnosis. So I would like women. Excuse me to know that thermography is available for breast cancer screening. It used to be covered by insurance until I think, 1986 87. And basically the Mammography lobby took it out. But there’s over 800 studies on the index Medicus. So it’s not who science. It’s been around for a long time. It’s using espionage, you know, by the military. And we’re one of the few countries that are not using that. So it could actually change the face of women’s breast health if they had an early screen that could be detected years before it could turn into an anatomy and then it has to be treated.
Rob Oliver: Okay. So can you help folks understand there are people who kind of feel like, okay, this is as you said, woo woo science. Can you talk a little bit more kind of dispelling that myth, please?
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Okay. Thermography is a study of heat excuse me. I’m sorry. As a study of heat, when the body is unclothed for whatever part we’re going to image and the person acclimates to the room temperature. And after 15 minutes, the body gives off infrared information, just like X rays. We give off infrared. And the camera is picking up this heat. They’re picking up the heat signatures. After COBIT started the cameras that I work with Ici, they’re being made all over the world. Now they’re being sent to all the cruise ships. The military has been using thermography for all anything that’s alive has heat. So the signature of cancer is hot. So the camera is just it’s just a thermometer being pointed at the body. So if there’s a lack of heat saying the carotid artery, it would read cold so they can detect cold or hot. So it’s just a study of heat. So cancer is hot. If it’s a lump bumper assist and it’s cold, it’s benign. So that would cut out could cut out 80% of biopsies. So not to say that mammograms are wrong because they’ve certainly saved a lot of women’s lives. But that’s the only choice they’ve been given. So if we go back to using thermography with ultrasound, it’s environmentally safe and it would change women’s health care or breast care.
Rob Oliver: Okay.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Breast health.
Rob Oliver: Wonderful. I appreciate you explaining that. What excites you about the future of healthcare?
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Oh, boy. I talked to a couple of pharmaceutical protocol formulators in New York City, and I talked to we were the party of the day, and there was a compounding pharmacist and a woman who works in energy medicine. I think we all feel that the future of medicine is going to be energy medicine. They already have the Tesla Med beds to give me one of these Tesla machines that work on frequency. Let say, for instance, cancer and parasites has a very low frequency, and they can actually change that frequency. Now, these are just the beginning. I know in France and Germany, they have the machine that costs up to $80,000. The ones that I was just looking at were 15 20,000. But this is just the beginning. We know this is just the beginning of shifting because we’re energy beings. We’re frequency beans, but not just this lump of flesh. There’s so much more to us. And we know now through heart mass detrital field of our being, that where these energy beings and changing these frequencies can change our health.
Rob Oliver: Okay.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: But again, it’s on affordable health care because it’s for those who can afford it.
Rob Oliver: So I’m obviously assuming that that type of thing is not covered by insurance. And as such, it’s differentiated where only as you said, the folks that can afford to pay out of pocket for that are the ones that have access to it. Is that accurate?
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Nothing in in holistic medicine. It is rare to find a doctor that’s going to accept insurance.
Rob Oliver: Okay.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: That’s the way it is.
Rob Oliver: Just from your perspective. How can that be addressed? To make holistic medicine more accessible to the general population.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Get rid of the insurance company?
Rob Oliver: There you go. A much simpler solution than I was expecting.
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: That’s right. Cut the middleman out.
Rob Oliver: What is one thing medical professionals can start doing today to improve the quality of healthcare?
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: See the person as a whole person and not just a leg, an arm, an ear. Look at the mind body spirit of a person. Look at everything as a whole and listen in health care, particularly in the ones that are taking insurance. If a person could be heard for 90 seconds, that’s a minute and a half. It’s mindful listening. They feel like they’ve been heard. How much time do you get to talk to your doctor? I give everybody an hour. They have to tell their story can’t just be. Oh, that’s your symptom. We’re just going to treat this treat that treat the symptom. You have to listen to the whole person. You have to listen to their story. Everybody’s got a story. And a lot of people, I say most people kind of know I don’t know where their health is because they’re intuitive listen to their own intuition. Give that person space to talk.
Rob Oliver: So what you’re talking about is giving the patient a an opportunity to fully share what’s going on with them, even if it’s just in 90 seconds. Here’s what I’m thinking. A lot of doctors are inscribed by time that their appointments are only 15 minutes long. And as such, you’ve got to handle so many patients over the course of a day. But what your 90 seconds? It doesn’t seem like an overwhelming part of that 15 minutes window. Is that accurate for you?
Patricia Bowden-Lucardi: Well, yes, I actually took a course and mindful listening. They said if you could speak for 90 seconds without being interrupted, then the person could be heard without the interruption. But I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole of about 15 minutes because, listen, I’ve had I’ve had these doctors I had a doctor share with me the other day. He says, you know, he no longer takes insurance. He gives everybody an hour. He said the nurses, they take the blood, they take the blood pressure, they do this, they weigh you, and then they write down all the symptoms. The doctor comes in. Oh, this is the symptoms. Oh, here’s the pills. There’s your 15 minutes right there. That is not health care that’s just bandaids with pharmaceutical drugs.
Rob Oliver: Listen, I hear what you’re saying, and I think that it’s definitely a a commentary on the way that health care is handled today. Patricia Bowden-Lucardi I appreciate you being here today, and I value your perspective on healthcare.
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